Commenter Lookup *Caution* Unless you see an ADMIN tag, the comments below may not all belong to the same person! "Eternity" | View Comments2 | FallenMay 23, 2006 I agree that Eternity was definately structured around not bringing him back but instead just being a one-off and that's why I really dislike the episode. It messes with a lot of stuff just for a cheap thrill and I didn't think it was neccessary. However the prophecy clearly states that "The vampire with a soul will play an important role in the apocalypse" and turning him into Angelus would obviously make him useless. It wasn't W&H trying to kill him in Five by Five it was a few lawyers working outside the system. And of course it all comes down to the most important aspect...the story. "I Will Remember You" | View Comments3 | FallenApr 20, 2006 Heh, the point of the line wasn't "What does it physically feel like to be human?" The line is a very important one in the episode, it almost perfectly sums up exactly what Angel's been going through since coming to Wolfram and Hart. He wants to remember what it's like to feel human again, to have that human compassion of caring about other people rather than looking at the big pictures or the numbers. That kind of gets lost in the scene because of Harmony's follow-up line about her heart beating and kissing boys and whatnot. "I Will Remember You" | View Comments4 | FallenApr 20, 2006 Well yes, there's also obviously that as like ten minutes ago he just signed away what he thinks is his only chance at becoming human. But that's far too obvious a line to just be referring to signing the prophecy away in my opinion. Of course I always try to look as deeply as I can into the subtext of every line. And of course looking back at what I wrote I didn't do a very good job of describing what I was seeing in the subtext either. At the time he was looking out one of the highrise windows staring at the people below. I think he was more wondering what it felt like to be in the thick of it again, down in the city rather than calling all the shots from above. I think at that point it wasn't so much him not knowing what his heartbeat felt like (he experienced as late as S4) but as knowing what it was like to be back in the fray. "I Will Remember You" | View Comments5 | FallenApr 18, 2006 First off I'll start with this...if any episode in the entire series deserves a 100 it has to be this one. It seems like the only thing holding you back from seeing it as a perfect episode is what you perceive as "out-of-character" behavior and the mythology of the demon. I'm not sure why you're having such trouble accepting either of those things, to me they are perfectly played out. Here you have a demon sent to kill Angel with the power in his blood to regenerate himself...bring himself back to life. Angel gets that blood mixed in with his and it brings him back to life instead. I think it works perfectly, I don't see this huge problem that you seem to have with that. "It just so happens that there is a type of demon (sent to kill warriors who fight for good) whose blood burns out any demonic essence in other beings, and it also happens that Angel gets some of this blood into a cut on his hand when he decides to fight it own his own away from Buffy, perfectly setting them into place for a dramatic reunion. It’s far too convenient for my liking, and much like 1x17: Eternity or BtVS [3x17] “Enemies,” carelessly tosses around something that has, in the past, been made a huge deal of and rightly so." First off you have this mistaken view of the demon's blood going into it...it doesn't burn out any demonic essence, it simply reanimates the dead. Angel already has the soul, all he's getting now is to restore his body to the point right before he died (when Darla sired him). It would be interesting to see what would happen to a normal vampire who had this mixing of blood. I think the person would become a normal human only without a soul, much like the kid in IGYUMS. Anyway, you say that it's too conveniant and that it isn't kept sacred but honestly I can't think of ANY episode that respects the idea of Angel becoming human more than this one. They don't carelessly toss it about like they tossed about Angel becoming Angelus in Eternity, they make a very huge deal of Angel becoming human and explore absolutely every aspect of it in this episode and that's what makes it special. From the ability to appreciate food again to his reflection in the glass to the wonderful kiss between Buffy and Angel in the sunlight with their music (Close Your Eyes) being played in a wonderfully different key.Then you mention that you think it's out of character for Angel to go off and kill the demon, but that IS Angel. That is so much his character that it almost defines exactly what he is and how he lives. Angel is a hero. He is unable to stand back and let evil happen, he's unable to sit by idly...and when he hears that this demon is out there killing he doesn't think about himself, he doesn't worry that he might be killed or that he's weaker now as a human. He's a hero and all he thinks about is killing the demon and protecting the people, and to a large extent protecting Buffy. When Doyle mentions bringing Buffy along and Angel looks over at her sleeping it is one of the best scenes in either series. He lets Buffy have her perfect dreams and goes off to face the evil without her, to show that he can still be in this fight. "This leads to the heartbreaking and flawless scene where the two count down the time to Buffy forgetting everything. This is one of the bold few scenes in the entire series that waters my eyes every time; few others, no matter how emotional, can match." Completely agree there. It's almost too painful to watch. It's acting at it's finest with a flawless script and an epic story. Angel giving up the only thing he ever wanted in his life to protect the world and taking on the burden of knowing perfect happiness and knowing that he let it go. Holding onto that pain every day, remembering his perfect day while no one else will. It's just like he says in Pangs: "Giles: It's not fair. You know that's what she'd say. You can see her, but she can't see you?" "Angel: Believe me, I'm not getting the good half of this deal. To be on the outside looking in at what I can't... Well, I'd forgotten how bad it feels." You have Angel getting the only thing he wants, becoming human and being with the only person he's ever loved, and he gives it all up to be a Hero and protect the world and protect his true love even though he'll have to bear the burden of knowing what he lost for the rest of his (eternal) life. Bump this ep 5 points. There are very few episodes of television ever aired that are as good as this one. It deserves a perfect score. "I Will Remember You" | View Comments6 | FallenApr 18, 2006 Re: Ryan. There is no such thing as a flawless episode. Every episode in every Joss series could be better, something could be done to improve it. And because of that none of them will ever reach perfection. That doesn't mean that an episode shouldn't get a 100. An episode like City Of has its flaws but it certainly deserves a 100. As far as "Lasting impact on the series" again, I Will Remember You has a lasting impact on everything from that point on. Just because it isn't something that is used as a plot device doesn't mean that it doesn't change the character of Angel from that point in the series on. As far as "making excuses based on personal preference" I thought we covered this before. That's all your reviews are is personal preference. It almost sounds to me like you're saying "Okay, this episode was awesome and deserves a 100...but I'm going to dissect it until I find something wrong and then use those flaws as justification to drop the score." "I Will Remember You" | View Comments7 | FallenApr 18, 2006 lol I'm certainly taking no offense, it's obvious that not every review that someone else will make is the same as how I would do it...that's the point of reviews. The reviewer gives his personal feelings on something and then you watch it and see if you agree...if your opinions coincide enough times then you start to trust that reviewer's opinion and then when he says something is good you feel like you should check it out, and when he says something isn't you pass on it. But obviously there is no perfect episode, so what you're saying by not giving this one a 100 is that the flaws you saw were so big in the episode that it detracted from the quality.And that's why I posted, because I can't imagine those things detracting from the episode at all. And of the two things you pointed out, one of them I had honestly never even blinked twice at in 9 viewings of the episode (the demon) and the other I think actually ADDS a lot to the episode (Angel going off to fight the demon on his own). "Rm w a Vu" | View Comments8 | FallenApr 11, 2006 I always thought that the majority of this episode was well done and very good, but Cordy's "bitch is back" speech makes the episode absolutely unwatchable to me. Its ranks as the very bottom of the Angel barrel for me just because of that. I literally cringe every time I see that scene |
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Don't know if I can agree with the pacing issues you saw, but great review though. Love how in-depth you got there, made a lot of good points also.
I couldn't possibly give the episode any less than 100%, but I can see where you're coming from though.