"That Old Gang of Mine" [3x03] Review by Ryan Bovay Posted by Ryan-R.B. on March 8, 2007 Writer: Tim MinearDirector: Fred Keller Quick Links Spoiler Warning! This is a retrospective review and may contain spoilers from anywhere in the series. Read at your own peril. Review “That Old Gang of Mine” is a frustratingly underrated episode. Many fans of AtS are often angered by the idiocy of some of the characters in the central plot and project their frustrations upon the episode. Those who hold intelligent grievances against it aside, people who label this episode idiotic because of idiotic actions fail to miss the point. In fact, I find this to be one of my favourite little episodes of the series; a well-constructed, intelligent piece of character work that results in scenes of aching tension and strong drama. Sure, Gio is a moronic man of men to hate, but that’s the point. And that he and Rondell actually have some good points to make is to the episode’s credit. It’s primarily a Gunn episode, and addresses the long overdue issue of where he belongs and how he relates to the demon world, specifically to Angel. As a man who’s fought a sustained war in poor neighbourhoods against vampires for much of his life, he’s always been justifiably wary about working with Angel. As I’ve mentioned before, he’s always been less trusting and less amicable towards Angel than anyone. He’s had trouble seeing him as anything but a vampire and no matter what good Angel did, he was nothing but a set of teeth waiting to slip onto someone’s neck. When Angel came back from his dark streak in "Epiphany" [2x16], Gunn was the hardest on him of anyone. It was most hypocritical considering Gunn had abandoned his neighbourhood gang in the exact same way Angel had abandoned his friends, but the thought didn’t even enter the man-of-action’s mind; he was a vampire who had acted according to that design, and deserved what he got for it. Pylea began to bridge the gap between them as he saw Angel fight and conquer his darker impulses, but the issue of Gunn’s trust in remained unfinished business. Not unlike his issues of belonging, a conflict which he faced in a more literal manner than anyone during the group’s Pylean holiday; as a soldier who acts with no foresight, Gunn found himself torn between Angel Investigations and his old neighbourhood throughout S2. His mindset is understandable given his history of fighting a ‘war’ (where quick action saves your life and over-thinking kills you), but it’s one that now has to change. Gunn loves both his old and new crews. Cordy and Wes have both saved his life ("First Impressions" [2x03] and "The Thin Dead Line" [2x14]) and his old gang have been comrades in arms for years, so in the first act Gunn finds himself torn yet again. But where late last season he was leaning towards Angel Investigations, some moral questions make him start teetering back the other way. He begins to think and to question the purpose and the worth of the work he’s doing. With the luxury of continued survival, he’s becoming more cerebral. It’s not the most intelligent one can ask, but the question begs consideration especially for a man in Gunn’s situation. More importantly, he’s stopping to ask it. Merl and some of the other demons slaughtered by Gio and Rondell’s crew were harmless, but not all of them were. The episode is clear in condemning random killing but is not so quick to let us off the hook about the truly evil demons. Even for the sake of peace and sanctuary there are some that one cannot justify tolerating, and as much as you may personally like Lorne, the specifics of his clientele’s personal lives are stomach churning; one demon admits to eating babies. The act of letting such a creature live knowing what it does can be considered accessory to murder. And from this consideration on the episode gets smarter: it draws a subtle metaphor to the issues of race and culture in our modern society. Now, the idea of racism has very little meaning in a biological sense simply because all humans are the same species. "Racism" as we understand it may involve certain physical characteristics (notably skin colour), but more often than not has to do with culture. People who hold prejudicial opinions about black people usually refer to the 'gansta' culture of greed, murder, irresponsibility and poor lingual habits. More truthfully, we deal in ethnocentrism. The physical characteristic may trigger an individual's reaction to the perceived cultural stereotype, whether or not the individual discriminated against fits the bill. But it is the perceived culture - the set of behaviours, beliefs and languages - that feeds the 'racism' that causes that reaction in the first place. With this definition in mind, consider what the episode offers. If you consider demons a biological race the way humans are, then you can break them down as cultures rather than sub-species just as you can with people. Not many would argue that a skin colour defines a sub-species of humanity, even if there are notable physical differences. Assume that for demons, and you can roll with the episodes’ punches. It’s true that some of these demons have evil practices, even if they themselves don’t consider them evil. But is slaughtering them so clean cut? Consider that many human cultures have similarly barbaric practices (honour killings, religious vengeance, blood owed) and you enter complex territory. Truly these are horrible practices and on an individual level must be prevented. But does it give you the right to attempt to exterminate that entire culture? That type of demon? Don’t be too quick to answer. Trying to fix or eliminate cultures, however horrible they are, has disastrous consequences for anyone involved, and eventually you find yourself unable to make distinctions and fighting everything from all sides. Like Rondell and Gio’s new crew. Their intentions are noble, but in attempting to destroy certain demonic ‘cultures’ they lost themselves and began targeting all demons. Having lost so many friends on the frontlines in the fight no doubt adds to this. While some, if not many, of these demons deserve to be destroyed, the point to which the crusade has gone could be considered akin to targeting ethnically Arabic people for the actions of certain isolated fundamentalist cultures who have committed terrorist acts in recent years all over the world. And when ‘noble’ actions extend to hurting the good or the innocent, one has to take a stand, because that noble crusade has lost its way. When Rondell and Gio’s spree targets Lorne and Angel, Gunn knows he finally has to take a stand, and he finds out where he belongs as well. The stress of continuing to fight the sustained war against demons has clearly given way to outright anger among the old gang, which has allowed them to become blindly ‘ethnocentric’ in how they target demons. It’s something we’ve seen again and again in modern times; Japanese-Canadians were interned after Pearl Harbour and Arabs have faced discrimination in North America and overseas (in how foreign policy has been handled by the US) since 9/11. No doubt the death of George in "Belonging" [2x19] weighs as heavy on Rondell’s conscience as it does Gunn’s, and it was probably what led him to go down the path he did. But what makes Gunn different is that he works for a truly heroic vampire. Angel defies all the stereotypes of the perceived ‘culture’ of vampires (in that metaphorical sense), so when the decision comes down to the old gang or him, Gunn finally chooses Team Angel. Even if he still can’t let some of his own ire go because of what Angel is and how he perceives what vampires are, Angel is clearly the right choice, especially now that he’s seen what fighting the ‘war’ has done to his old crew. This decision is a huge step forward for Gunn’s character, and at last ends the arc that left his character progression hanging incomplete at the end of S2. From here he can and does move on and by the end of the season is as tight with Angel as he is now with Wesley. But Angel does leave him with a warning: “You'll prove that I can trust you when day comes that you have to kill me - and you do.” For what he’s learned here, Gunn will always have to remember what Angel can be, something he and the gang have to deal with in S4 with Angelus. Looking back over what I’ve written here it’s clear that there’s a lot going on. Like all Tim Minear episodes, ideas are mixed with character developments for an excellent cocktail. While some of the execution is admittedly blunt and the tension generated by the ‘box’ situation in Caritas a little overwrought, the show more than makes up for it with is profound statements and long-term importance. There were also a lot of little things I enjoyed; Fred finally getting out of the Hotel and picking the most ironic karaoke song possible, and Wesley showing his protective instincts and also his leadership skills. Angel showed a bit of growth here too in his understanding and forgiveness of Gunn and, to a lesser extent, his apology to Merl. Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)
Foreshadowing
Quotes ANGEL:I told you this was a waste of time.MERL:Real friends don't need notes. ANGEL:(annoyed) We're not friends Merl! We barely even know each other. MERL:Not like you made the effort either, is it?! ANGEL:You know, ask yourself this ANGEL:(hands her a note) Here, I want you to go to this address. CORDELIA:What is it? ANGEL:Transunding furies. CORDELIA:Gesundheit. GIO:So who does (Gunn) go after? Who does he draw down on? The baby-killing monster? No, me, that's who. What does that tell you? GUNN:Tells me there's a whole lot of monsters in this room to choose from. GIO:Yeah? Maybe you one of em. GIO:(helping Fred point a crossbow at Angel) Alright, now you wanna get it in the heart or it's no good. FRED:(points it at Gio) Although I thought I might just shoot you in the throat instead. Now, if I pierce one of your carotid arteries, considering the temperature in here, 'cause I think somebody shot the thermostat, the blood loss is gonna be heavy. And there's a chance I'll puncture a vocal cord and you won't even be able to scream. Butt you'll want to when the blood loss to your brain results in a cerebral vascular event. - That's a stroke. I wasn't trying to sound snooty. GUNN:Doesn't mean I meant any of it. ANGEL:No, you meant all of it, but that's okay. GUNN:I can't help the way I feel, man. That's just the way it is. Doesn't mean I don't wanna work with you. Doesn't even mean that I don't like you. Maybe some day, I don't know. ANGEL:I don’t know either. But I got time.
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Comments (20) All Comments | Link2 | fryrishMar 11, 2007 This episode isn't really a favourite of mine, and while it's poor reputation is defintaley unfair I don't find anything particularly new of amazing here either. Yes, it has good development for Gunn, and a couple of other nice touches but it doesn't quite come together for me. Either way, I appreciated your analysis of the show's morality. Dingdong, the song Fred sings is "Crazy" by Patsy Cline. All Comments | Link3 | DingdongalisticMar 13, 2007 Cheers, Fryrish. Yeah, Ryan, it's definitely ironic. All Comments | Link4 | buffyholicMar 4, 2008 You did a great review, Ryan. A lot of issues that you tackled and that I didn´t even noticed, like talking about "racism" against a culture and in here, it´s against demons. It´s hard to believe that this is underrated because this is just wonderful. btw, I´m sorry Merl was killed. I liked him. All Comments | Link5 | JoSep 21, 2008 I liked this episode a lot, my favourite parts being when Fred sings 'crazy' and also when Angel tells Merl to take a free shot at him in the beginning, I lol at that scene. I'm a bit curious on Gio's history. When he sang at the club and then Lorne found out some of his history, I thought that was really interesting and surprised there was no mention of it in this review. Regardless another good review All Comments | Link6 | RosieAug 4, 2009 Could someone please explain to me why Wesley had the right to threaten Charles with job termination? Since when? Wesley, Cordelia and Charles were equal partners in the new Angel Investigations. Cordelia and Charles had agreed that Wes would act as lead investigator for cases that dealt with the supernatural. Yet, Wesley not only had the nerve to treat Charles as some employee, NO ONE bothered to point out the error of this attitude. Does Charles' race make it easy for people to easily accept the idea of Wesley having the right to threaten Charles in that manner? All Comments | Link7 | Blue Light JAug 5, 2009 Rosie, I don't think race had ANYTHING to do with that statement. Wesley is the leader now, which has been stated several times. While they started the new agency together, Wes is selected as the "boss." He tells his father this on the phone, and we see it in the way he begins to take charge, AND in the fact that he gets the office. If Charles brought danger to the group, Wesley would be the one to deal with it (at least from an employment standpoint). Also, I liked the moment when Gunn sees Fred singing and gives a little smile. Nice foreshadowing, as they'll be getting down before too too long. All Comments | Link8 | Nathan.TaurusJan 30, 2010 @ 8:11pm This episode made me think a bit about Lorne. He has a no violence policy and the demons inside act civilized towards each other because they have to, but they clearly don't hate each other or want to kill each other. Lorne allows vampires and other evil creatures to have fun inside his haven of peace, does that make him somewhat evil that he serves these beings knowing who they are and what they do? We all assume that the demon who eats babies eats human babies, but that is never stated. What if he ate other babies of his own demon tribe (for lack of a better word)would that be the same as human babies? Even if they would be evil? Fred singing :) She is so cute this season. All Comments | Link9 | Lunatic on a pogostick.Jul 19, 2010 @ 10:54pm I really enjoyed this episode because i thought it was a smart exploration of how people can have ingrained preconceptions of race despite knowing that its most likely incorrect,but just cant help but feel that way because maybe thats how they were taught or from simple fear of what they dont know or understand from limited interaction with people of a certain race or religion. Badass episode. All Comments | Link10 | debisibNov 26, 2010 @ 12:49pm I gotta say... the one part of this episode that really makes me feel for Angel is this exchange... Darla: MY god, what we did to him... (referring to Holtz) Angel: I know. Watching Angel... his eyes... his reaction. You can tell that this is the first and only time he has the chance to feel what he's been feeling, ever since he got a soul, with someone else. His case is special, but in this situation, for 5 minutes, he has Darla to relate to... to know what he's been going through, and to know that she feels just as much pain as him. He never gets this opportunity again. Well, technically, Spike got his soul back, but they never really got close enough that they could share feelings. Even though Spike is my favorite character in the Buffyverse, he definitely never had those true feelings of misery and remorse that Angel has throughout the series. Angel actualy even refers to that in season 5. All Comments | Link11 | WvethMar 24, 2011 @ 3:22pm Gunn's job was threatened because he freaking stole evidence and withheld information vital to the case. If anything, Wes was being merciful by not firing him then and there. All Comments | Link12 | KeatonSep 30, 2011 @ 10:16am This is a frustratingly underrated episode? Quite the opposite, severely overrated imo. ;) But I don't like most of Ryans reviews anyway and even don't really like the whole series Angel up to this episode. I mean, the last couple of episodes of S02 made up for a lot of the crap that I had to endure before and I adore Fred. Finally a character that is funny AND interesting. Oh how I miss those good old Buffy times. ;( Angel is like Buffy but without the humor and without the awareness that the whole story is silly as hell. Nearly no tongue in cheek, which is just plain awful and leads to a lot of uninvolving and meaningless "drama" in a still very clichéd world that isn't worth to waste further thoughts about good, evil or anything happening in it. Wolfram & Hart, the lawyers of evil? Really? Seriously? That's the big bad? And those guys aren't even portrayed as campy and fun as Glory or the Trio in Buffy? Why not, they are sillier than them! Why does this goddamn show take itself so damn serious? Where is the wit, where the knowledge that deep inside all that is very dumb and hilarious? What a huge misinterpretation, to believe a fantasy world as clichéd and silly as Buffys would give room for some kind of serious approach! And about this episode: Clever written or morally interesting? Really? Since when is a gang of xenophobic shitheads, who are as clichéd as these clowns, morally and psychologically interesting? "He is a vampire!" "But he has a soul!" "... But but but he is a vampire!" Plz could anybody just bite his head off?! ... Thank you! Man, that was so incredibly bad! Plz ignore this fanboy bs here, here a better review of this desaster: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/angel/that_old_gang_of_mine.php?page=1 All Comments | Link13 | KeatonSep 30, 2011 @ 10:32am I know, I kinda overused the word clichéd. ^^ But it's true! Buffy was like the Simpsons (just better), clichés everywhere, just to make fun of them in the same time. Angel inherited all of them, just pretends that deep inside of all that nonsense (Good demons and bad demons hanging out together in bars? Inside everybody behaves, outside, another patron might just bite your head off? Sure, whatever. ^^) there are morals, ohter meaningful stuff, interesting psychology and whatnot. Sry, but I couldn't find any of that, just a lot of pretense. All Comments | Link14 | KeatonOct 6, 2011 @ 3:40pm Ok, guess I owe you guys that much: Sry, Ryan, I guess you won't read this but still: Your reviews are no fanboy bullshit and I don't know what got into me there. I really dislike many of them though as I already pointed out. But thank you anyway for offering your thoughts and giving us something to think and discuss about. ;) All Comments | Link15 | RosieNov 4, 2011 @ 12:00pm ["Rosie, I don't think race had ANYTHING to do with that statement. Wesley is the leader now, which has been stated several times. While they started the new agency together, Wes is selected as the "boss." He tells his father this on the phone, and we see it in the way he begins to take charge, AND in the fact that he gets the office. If Charles brought danger to the group, Wesley would be the one to deal with it (at least from an employment standpoint)."] At this point in the series, Charles Gunn WAS NOT an employee of Angel Investigations. He was one of three partners - which included Wes and Cordelia. Remember? All Wes had to do was tell Charles that he and Cordelia would cut him out of the partnership if he had repeated his mistakes of this episode. The only times when Wes was "the boss" when they were actually investigating a case. Other than that, he HAD NO RIGHT to threaten Charles with job termination. He had every right to demand that Charles end his partnership with the firm. Wes was the "boss" my ass. All Comments | Link16 | RosieNov 4, 2011 @ 12:03pm ["Gunn's job was threatened because he freaking stole evidence and withheld information vital to the case. If anything, Wes was being merciful by not firing him then and there."] Hey Wveth! Have you considered the fact that Wes had no right to fire Charles, since the latter was one of the partners of the new Angel Investigations since mid-to-late Season 2? All Comments | Link17 | AlexNov 7, 2011 @ 1:45am Rosie, you're talking about whether Wesley had the right to fire Gunn, which is debatable of course, but I still don't see what that has to do with race! How does Gunn's race come into it at all? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't understand where you're coming from. Could you elaborate, please? I always see it as Wesley simply being disappointed that Gunn would keep secrets from them. That's all. If Gunn had told the rest of AI what was happening sooner, then perhaps they could have prevented the situation going as far as it did with the siege at Caritas. I think Wesley completely has the right to tell Gunn that he can't continue to work with them if he does something like that again. So where's the 'race' part of all that? All Comments | Link18 | JohnApr 2, 2012 @ 10:07pm I just can't agree with this review. I get that the writers wanted to develop Gunn and make him a committed part of the AI crew, but the plot just doesn't make sense. Gunn's old crew wantonly killing demons for no reason? Where the hell did that come from? They always acted like a military unit before. Here, they just got turned into an ultra-violent, poorly thought out gang of street thugs--just awful. Sorry, but that sacrifices a significant part of what the show has already told us just to aid in Gunn's character development. Also, Khalil Kain who plays Gio has to be the worst actor to ever appear in the Buffyverse. All Comments | Link19 | XavierMay 22, 2012 @ 12:17pm I just have to point something out: Cordelia's character growth. When Cordy and Fred are outside talking, I felt like the old Cordy would have totally gone all 'mean girls' on Fred, especially here: Fred smiling: "No one would even bother to look at me twice with you around!" Cordy: "Exactly. - Ah. No. - Now, that's just not true! People *will* notice you!" But instead, Cordelia shows that she has the capacity to care for other people, to be nice. She has truly outgrown her high school self, a huge accomplishment for her character. Little things like this make me see how Cordelia has come a long way. It's hard to believe that the 'S1 Buffy' Cordelia is even capable of change. Cordelia really is one of my favorite characters. :] [Aw @ Fred!] All Comments | Link20 | ArachneaApr 7, 2013 @ 11:46pm The scene before the credit was fun, but it also made me cringe: you call that an apology Ryan? What Angel did to Merl demanded a sincere apology; even if Merl was a demon, Angel used him, beat him and never paid him. That would have been a start to atone for his (soulful) darker time. It's something that always baffled me: Angel feels the need to atone for his soulless past, but doesn't seem to care about his tainted soulful one, which should be more prominent. I'm not so sure that Gunn made the right choice by choosing to remain with Angel. He was the leader of his old gang and he could have chosen to lead them again on the right path: defend their territory, kill the dangerous demons but leave alone the harmless ones. To answer some of the comments: as for the gang forgetting the mission (protecting their territory), it seems obvious that after George's death and Gunn's absence, Gio's arrival triggered the change. Gio has clearly suffered a great loss and is bent on a fun/revenge adventure. The gang doesn't know a lot about demons, they're not thinkers, so every demon is fair game. Post a Comment
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Great Review, Ryan. I've also always felt this to be very underrated. It's probably my favourite episode until the main arc kicks in.
I found your insights into the various complexities of the moral dilemmas in this episode fascinating. It's amazing how for what seems to by quite straightforward dilemmas at fist glance, actually turn out to be very complex and deep ones.
I also feel that the acting is amazing here. I'm not sure, do to the odd way the episode is paced and some of the unusual contrasts whether I would have been as fully convinced by the episode if it weren't for this, but everyone is great here. The performances really sell quite complicated scenes which really challenge the viewer. Like the scene with Fred and the crossbow, where it's really highlighted how hard she's finding this to understand and grasp.
And the scene where it reveals what appears to be a powerful disgusting demon to one eating junk food gave me one of the biggest laughs of the series. Made it more sad when he was killed.
BTW, Ryan, what song was it Fred had chosen? Because I've forgotton.